Cardinal Abandon, of the Resurrected (elfinragdoll) wrote in fma_discussion,
Cardinal Abandon, of the Resurrected

My third Pondering...

Alright, boys and girls. Something else I've been pondering...

This follows anime canon.

Envy was the supposed result of Hohenheim's failed attempt to resurrect the son of himself and Dante. This was 400 years ago, according to their timeline. From what I gathered, this occured after the two of them had begun switching bodies, since they hadn't been able to do so until they first created the Philosopher's Stone.

But what really gets me is this--when Envy reveals his true form, he resembles Hohenheim. We know that he and Dante had jumped bodies several times, and that his last body was not the one that he had possessed 400 years ago. So why is it that Envy's true form looked like the biological father of Edward and Alphonse Elric?

We know for a fact that Envy was close to 400 years old, being born shortly after Dante and Hohenheim began switching bodies. So why would he have looked like Hohenheim's last form, since that wasn't the body he had when Envy had been conceived in his first incarnation as a human? Their bodies began to rot sooner after each jump, so there's no way that Hohenheim could have had the same body for 400 years. The only explanation would have been that he had acquired a body somewhere through the years that was genetically similar to the one that Envy had been spawned from, perhaps a descendant of that body. Being a more emotional person than Dante, I think that it would stand to reason that Hohenheim would take such an action, perhaps to feel more normal.

Well, those are my thoughts, I hope they made for an interesting addition and would highly appreciate any feedback. Thank you for the opportunity to express this to you.
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This is something I have thought of myself. The way I reason it, if you look closely in episode 45, where they flashback to when Hohenheim and Dante first try to make the PS, if you look really close, Hohenheim kinda, KINDA looks like he resembles the body that he has when we see him in the show. Going on that assumption (which I know is farfetched), I figure that maybe the last time around, Hohenheim found a body to swtich into that was a descendant of his family, and therefore looked similar to the one that he had first had before he had to go switching bodies. Of course this assumes that Hohenheim had any other relatives that had kids and stuff, but that's not so unlikely. That would account for the fact that Envy's true form would look so similar to Hohenheim's. And it would also make Envy and Ed and AL related, though techincally not half-brothers. I guess Envy would be their greatgreat grand uncle or something.

At any rate, that idea is TOTAL specualtion, but it always made sense to me, so I just go with that. Otherwise, I'd just see it as a plothole, unless there's some other way to explain how they would look the same.
I thought they chose bodies that resembled themselves when they were first alive, and that's why they look similar.
Thank you both very much for the feedback, and yes, I noticed that his body in the flashback sequence looked like the one he married Trisha in too...
Personally, I figured that Envy's "true form" might not even be really what he originally looked like, but rather he "invented" that form intentionally resembling Hohenheim so Ed would recognise him... which also fits in with the "plothole" that Envy earlier remarked that he'd forgotten what he originally looked like.
As far as 'forgetting' what he looked like, I took that into consideration, and thought that he purposefully took his common, androgynous form to be as far from his orginal form as possible, since he hated Hohenheim so much. I believe that he wanted to forget, and telling the others that he already had meant he'd have an excuse to never hold his true shape around them. But I can also see where you're coming from, Envy's devious, he would have thought that up at the last minute to mess with Ed's head.