redbrunja (redbrunja) wrote in fma_discussion,

So Did Lt. Hawkeye Fall Into A Plot Hole?

After watching the series, I have two questions that I’d love to discuss, both relating to Riza.

Firstly, Riza’s eyes always looked brown to me, until episode 39, when they looked more maroon- not quite as red as the Ishbalites, but still, not brown. I’ve come across some fanfic describing her eyes as red, so I was wondering if in the manga or elsewhere there are any hints that her background might be.... less than ethnically monochromatic, shall we say.

Because if so, I imagine she must have had a hard war in Ishbal for reasons above and beyond the norm. Can you imagine the hazing she must have gone through if she looked even vaguely Ishbalite in that situation?

Secondly, after having time to process episode 51, and get my OMFGs out of my system, I’m come across a rather large time problem relating to the fight scene between Roy and the Führer.

As I understand it, here’s the timeline of the fight at the Führer’s house:

Archer hits the car on the road.

The Führer and Mustang are fighting.

On the road, the cars are all stopped, and Archer shoots at Riza. She gets a gun and shots back and he manages to wound her.

The Führer’s son leaves his car, and (presumably) runs back to the mansion, where he gets the Führer’s skull and brings down to where Roy and the Führer are fighting. Roy defeats the Führer and carries the kid out to the front steps.

Archer has stolen a car and is waiting for him. He shoots Roy, and then Riza who (again, presumably) ran all the way from where the cars crashed, shoots him in the back.

My question is, how on earth did the Führer’s son get to the mansion so fast? Even granted that he had a head start, it can’t have taken Archer that long to get the car. And I would think that even with a bullet wound, Riza could outrun a schoolboy, especially if her colonel was in danger.

I’ve come up with some possibilities:

The Fuhrer’s son knew a shortcut, and therefor got to the house way ahead of both Archer and Hawkeye.

Archer didn’t kill the guards, and Riza had to fight them before she could run for the mansion, slowing her down.

Or, most likely, someone goofed on the timeline, and Riza fell down a plot hole. Your thoughts?
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That's the wonderful world of anime acting for you! People get where they need to be and at REALLY fast rates. Maybe they hadn't driven that far from the mansion just yet? If you think about it, Archer got there pretty quick too. It doesn't seem like it, because in the episode they go from Roy's situation to Ed's every so often. But you have to remember, it's always meanwhile.

Ed is back from the gate and trying to help Al. MEANWHILE Roy is starting a fight with Pride. Does that help, maybe? *blink*
My problem wasn't how fast everything happened, it was how fast the Fuhrer's son managed to get to the mansion AHEAD of both Archer and Hawkeye. I would have thought that even if he managed to get to the house first, both Riza and Archer would be right at his heels, and there wouldn't have been time for him to get the skull and go down to the fight before they both showed up.

I'm telling myself that Riza had to fight off the guards and get herself out of the handcuffs with a bullet wound, and that's why she was so late, but it still kinda bugs me.
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I can see why Archer got there slower than Salem. Archer walks REALLY slow, and children tend to be able to run really fast.

As for Hawkeye, I guess I'd have to go with the guards theory too : /
In my head, Archer ordered the guards to deal with Riza and then drove off, and she had to deal with three of them hand to hand (can't waste the bullets) with a gunshot wound, then had to find the handcuff keys, uncuff herself, and then run however far beat up and bloody, which gives both Archer and the Fuhrer's son enough time to get to the mansion ahead of her.
In the manga, her eyes are most definitely brown. No variations, from what I can tell. So the redness is just a random anime thing, that isn't even there all the time. ^^;
That's what I figured, although it did send the bunnies hopping for a few minutes. I like your icon, by the way.
Hey, you can always use the bunnies anyway. ^.^ It sounds like a really interesting idea, and I'm pretty certain no one's done it before. I'd read it, anyway. ^.^ And thanks! Yours is spiffy too. :D
I always thought her eyes looked red... and red-eyed characters can tend to having brown eyes in some official artwork.

...looking through my (rather large) collection of FmA pics, her eyes are definitely red in the anime (brownish in some pics, but red more often than not) but brown in the manga. It's not that strange, other characters have more drastic colour changes than that - Hughes, for example, has blue eyes in the manga but yellow-green in the anime.
I guess I just found it curious, because of the socio-political subtext of having red eyes when it's one of the trademarks of the Ishabalis.